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5 questions to ask when your product stops growing | Jason Cohen (2x unicorn founder)

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Джейсон Коэн — четырёхкратный основатель (включая два единорога, один из которых WP Engine) и инвестор более чем 60 стартапов, почти 20 лет ведёт блог A Smart Bear. В выпуске он делится методичным пятишаговым фреймворком для диагностики остановившегося роста — проблемы, с которой сталкивается почти каждая команда. Обсуждаются пять шагов: удержание логотипов, ценообразование, NRR, маркетинговые каналы и целевой рынок. Также: небольшая правка, которая удвоит ответы в опросах об отмене подписки; почему «слишком дорого» почти никогда не настоящая причина ухода клиентов; «слоновая кривая» роста; как репозиционирование того же продукта увеличило выручку в 8 раз; и когда стоит пересмотреть, нужен ли рост вашему бизнесу вообще.

5 questions to ask when your product stops growing | Jason Cohen (2x unicorn founder)

Jason Cohen is a four-time founder (including two unicorns, one being WP Engine) and an investor in over 60 startups, and has been sharing his lessons on company building at A Smart Bear for nearly 20 years. In this episode, Jason shares his methodical five-step framework for diagnosing stalled growth—a problem that faces almost every team.

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We discuss:

  • Jason’s five-step framework: logo retention, pricing, NRR, marketing channels, target market

  • A small tweak that’ll double response rates on your cancellation surveys

  • Why “it’s too expensive” is almost never the real reason customers cancel

  • The “elephant curve” of growth

  • How repositioning the same product can increase revenue 8x

  • When to reconsider if growth is even the right goal for your business


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    Where to find Jason Cohen:

    • Preorder Jason’s book: https://preorder.hiddenmultipliers.com/

    • Website: https://wpengine.com

    Referenced:

    • Tyler Cowen’s website: https://tylercowen.com

    • How to Perform a Customer Churn Analysis (and Why You Should): https://www.groovehq.com/blog/learn-from-customer-churn

    • Linear: https://linear.app

    • Patrick Campbell’s post on X about pricing: https://x.com/Patticus/status/1702313260547006942

    • The art and science of pricing | Madhavan Ramanujam (Monetizing Innovation, Simon-Kucher): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-art-and-science-of-pricing-madhavan

    • Pricing your AI product: Lessons from 400+ companies and 50 unicorns | Madhavan Ramanujam: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/pricing-and-scaling-your-ai-product-madhavan-ramanujam

    • M&A, competition, pricing, and investing | Julia Schottenstein (dbt Labs): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/m-and-a-competition-pricing-and-investing

    • “Sell the alpha, not the feature”: The enterprise sales playbook for $1M to $10M ARR | Jen Abel: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/the-enterprise-sales-playbook-1m-to-10m-arr

    • Buffer: https://buffer.com

    • How to find hidden growth opportunities in your product | Albert Cheng (Duolingo, Grammarly, Chess.com): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/how-to-find-hidden-growth-opportunities-albert-cheng

    • The Elephant in the room: The myth of exponential hypergrowth: https://longform.asmartbear.com/exponential-growth

    • Zigging vs. zagging: How HubSpot built a $30B company | Dharmesh Shah (co-founder/CTO): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/lessons-from-30-years-of-building

    • Adjacency Matrix: How to expand after PMF: https://longform.asmartbear.com/adjacency/

    • Ecosystem is the next big growth channel: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/ecosystem-is-the-next-big-growth

    • ChatGPT apps are about to be the next big distribution channel: Here’s how to build one: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/chatgpt-apps-are-about-to-be-the

    • 10 contrarian leadership truths every leader needs to hear | Matt MacInnis (Rippling): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/10-contrarian-leadership-truths

    • Breaking the rules of growth: Why Shopify bans KPIs, optimizes for churn, prioritizes intuition, and builds toward a 100-year vision | Archie Abrams (VP Product, Head of Growth at Shopify): https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/shopifys-growth-archie-abrams

    • Geoffrey Moore on finding your beachhead, crossing the chasm, and dominating a market: https://www.lennysnewsletter.com/p/geoffrey-moore-on-finding-your-beachhead

    • Wispr Flow: https://wisprflow.ai

    Recommended books:

    Monetizing Innovation: How Smart Companies Design the Product Around the Price: https://www.amazon.com/Monetizing-Innovation-Companies-Design-Product/dp/1119240867

    Hidden Multipliers: Small Things That Accelerate Growth: https://preorder.hiddenmultipliers.com

    On Writing Well: The Essential Guide to Mastering Nonfiction Writing and Effective Communication: https://www.amazon.com/Writing-Well-Classic-Guide-Nonfiction/dp/0060891548

    Crossing the Chasm, 3rd Edition: The Updated Version of the Insightful Guide on Bringing Cutting-Edge Products to the Mainstream: https://www.amazon.com/Crossing-Chasm-3rd-Disruptive-Mainstream/dp/0062292986


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    Lenny may be an investor in the companies discussed.


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